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Drew 74 GT
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« on: October 30, 2007, 05:40:31 PM »

Hello all.  My name is Drew, I have a 74 Marina Gt automatic.  I will post some pics of it when I get a new camera.  Unfortunetly I may have to sell it, if so I will list it here first.

I was wondering if anyone saw the  article " A Guide to Collectible Sleepers of the Lowest Rank" by the editor Peter Egan in the June 2006 issue of Road and Track magazine.  They listed the Austin Marina as #1 in a list of next wave sleeper collector cars.  The article is very funny, not sure if you can find it online or not, but it would be worth digging up.

Lastly I used to have a great source for new old stock Marina parts.....Bill Derker at British Automotive Specialists in Peoria, IL., I was going to post his # in here for everyone but he is no longer listed, so if there is something you are looking for and can't find, let me know and I will try to track him down for you.

Happy marina-ing

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 05:22:58 AM »

Hi Drew, would love to see pics of your car as I also have a 74 GT Auto. If you want to email them to me at americarna2001@yahoo.com I will post them here. Any info on Marina inventory is also useful as some parts are quite scarce now. Where abouts are you located?

Chris

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 03:53:26 PM »

That is a nice looking Marina Chris.  What was the original color?  Mine still has the factory paint, needs a little body work so have not decided if I am going to keep it.  Orange with black interior.

Not many 74 gt autos out there, nice to see another.   bought mine as an investment 8 years ago and have not done much work to it yet.  The guy I get parts from has orange 74 just like mine but manual shift minus the powertrain that he actually gave me for free, but I had no place to store it.

I am in Canton IL., the parts are in Peoria, I have not spoken to Bill in a couple of years as I was living in KY., but if there is something you need let me know and I will track him down and see if he has it.

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 05:41:00 PM »

Drew, I think I am doing ok for Marina parts for now, I have a few new parts to fit this weekend and hopefully that should be my project finished - or as close to finished as a Marina gets, I'm sure there'll be something else to fix in a week or two. There were a couple of colors available that could be considered orange, Blaze, Bronze yellow or sandglow even. Which one is yours? My car was originally Cosmic Blue which is close to what it is now but with a bit more of a purple tint, I would have got the original color but the paint shop couldn't find it. They said they could find it out but I already had the spray booth booked for that weekend so I went with a Chevrolet color.

As soon as you get pics would like to see some - no rush though.

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 06:44:03 AM »

Why sell this car after all the work you have done? Huh
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 10:00:55 AM »

Drew:  If you locate Bill Derker, tell him I'll buy all his inventory of NOS stuff if he needs to move it.  I am looking for inventory.  Skip
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 11:10:24 AM »

Skip,
      I will be in Peoria this week and will track down Bill and see what he still has, at one time he had a entire basement full of stuff and only one customer for it, hehehehe.

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 07:07:35 AM »

 Hey all; I just signed on to your forum withthe idea od getting some info on Marinas. I do know British cars, have driven MGs, TRs, AHs and Jags for years, and presently have 2 MGs; an MGB and Magnette ZB sedan. Also got a couple spare motors on the floor in the garage for now.
I've found a Marina I'm seriously interested in, with auto box so maybe my other half will actually drive it on occasion. Might even fit it out with a little vintage car AC for some summer comfort driving...I know where there is one for a "B" that ought to work great on a Marina.
Now you know..and I'll just be watching and listening til there is something to report.

Wayne Hardy
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 07:35:13 AM »

Wayne:  Welcome to the group.  Glad to hear you found a Marina with auto tranny.  They've become scarce since so many take the power unit and bolt it into an older BMC/BL sedan or directly into the MGB.  It's a commodity in demand.  Hope you will keep the car and drive it.  There are some a/c kits for Marina still around.  I have a unit removed from a Texas car that you can have for the freight.  No compressor, but the evap unit should be good.  If you need anything else (parts or advice) let me know.  The advice is free... 
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 07:59:30 AM »

I found the artical you where talking about and pasted it here for others to read.

Side Glances
A guide to collectible sleepers of the lowest rank.

By Peter Egan, Editor-at-Large
June 2006

Just yesterday, one of my favorite classic-car magazines arrived in the mail, containing a list of "10 future collector cars you should buy now." Sitting back with my morning coffee and looking over the list, I was appalled to find it contained both an AMC Matador and a Chevrolet Chevette Diesel.

Well, not appalled. There's an element of offbeat good fun in stumbling across cars like these in your neighbor's backyard, but I can't see anyone actually "collecting" them on purpose. Still, I suppose this list was inevitable.

After all, we live in an age where car auctioneers are wringing seven figures out of old muscle cars that — let's face it — are, for the most part, indifferently constructed American sedans with big engines that allow them to spin sideways and smack fire hydrants, while delivering fuel mileage that makes a Hummer look like an Earth First plot against Exxon.

Not that I don't like these cars myself.

I, personally, would be willing to spend about $16,000 on, say, a nice 1968 Hemi-powered Dodge Charger, but when auction prices shoot past $100,000 my attention wanders, and I start thinking about the 1956 World Series or wondering if I left the coffee pot plugged in before we sold our last home. In 1990.

An MGA for $32,000? These are lovely cars, granted, and I've always liked them, but isn't that rather a lot for a car that my roommate in college bought for $650 because he couldn't afford a used Triumph motorcycle?

Anyway, you can see my point. As auction prices on genuine "blue chip" classics continue to climb, those of us without Ferrari GTB or Cobra money — indeed, without even Pinto money — will begin to look farther and farther downstream, as the crossbar is continually lowered until it's positively subterranean and only those with excavating equipment need apply.

Luckily for the readers of R&T, we have someone on the staff who is highly qualified to get the jump on the market and compile a sleeper list for the sad day when all those Matadors and Chevette Diesels have been snapped up, and that would be me.

Yes, as one who spent 10 years as a professional foreign car mechanic during the 1970s (a truly terrible era of car design) — and one who spends way too much money restoring the wrong cars for all sorts of shaky reasons — I believe I am uniquely positioned to reflect light on this short and badly soiled end of the automotive stick. As is my friend and former employer at Foreign Car Specialists, Chris Beebe, who owns about 50 really odd cars and helped me compile this shopping guide.

So here's a list of Next Wave sleeper collector cars that hardly anyone has ever sought. Until now. Remember, you saw it here first.

1. The Austin Marina. This car looked good on paper, as it was a simple, basic sedan with an MGB short block. Unfortunately, the head used a single Stromberg carb with an overly complex electric choke and smog plumbing and a distributor with severe built-in retard. These cars simply could not be made to run right, nor to produce anything recognizable as horsepower. Also, the single-rail gear selector fell apart and dropped into the transmission, and rear axle bearings failed. These very features, refined to the point of total debilitation, turned up later in the Triumph TR-7. I haven't seen a Marina anywhere in 30 years, so now must be the time to snap one up, before values skyrocket into the stratosphere, or even the biosphere.

2. The Sabra. This was a sports car made in Israel, with a fiberglass body and (Chris recalls) a Vauxhall Alexandria engine, named after a city whose library burned. The steering wheel was sawed in half to make the car feel more like a Beech Bonanza, and the raw tubular edges had rubber "chair feet" to protect the owner. I've seen and driven only one Sabra, and it was admittedly quite worn out, but the car almost defined the word "loose." Everything rattled, moved and shifted around. If you can find a Sabra, run, don't just shuffle morosely, to the bank.

3. Kaiser-Frazer. What do you do when tank production stops after World War II? Make more tanks! My dad bought a maroon 4-door Frazer (which is the first car I can remember) shortly after I was born in 1948, and Jay Leno has one that looks exactly like it, donated to his collection by an admirer who wanted it to have a good home. Maybe it's even our old car. My own nostalgia for one — and Jay's tacit approval — are bound to make these things almost unobtainable in the coming several decades or more.

4. Austin America. I hate to pick on Austin here, but these cars — intended as a slightly larger and more modern version of the original Mini — had all the problems (and then some) of a Mini, but without the good looks. Think about that. Our local Pizza Pit bought seven of them with automatic transmissions, and they all disintegrated in exactly six months. Yours could, too, with plenty of TLC. To avoid paying too much, look for one with a faded "Pizza Pit" on the door.

5. Rover 3500. My friend George Allez bought one of these and was then somewhat distressed when an identical car, painted gray, kept turning up as a staff car for the East German secret police on the TV series Mission Impossible. His car spent most of its time in the repair shop, and was then sold for a fraction of its purchase price. It's only a matter of time before Tom Cruise uses one of these in a Mission Impossible flashback and values go right through the basement ceiling.

6. Triumph TR-7. British Leyland made an all-too-common mistake here, thinking that "ugly" and "modern" were exactly the same concept, a misapprehension that has also haunted public architecture since the 1950s, when everyone read Ayn Rand. The doorstop styling might have been forgiven if the car had been screwed together better and differentials hadn't failed at low mileage. They also shared the Marina plague of transmission and axle bearing ills. Still, they handled okay, so these cars may be out of our bottom-feeder price level. What I do in this case is find a fatally rusty example and laugh all the way to the bank, if I get that far. Look for a car where the left front tire rubs on your clutch foot.

7. Pontiac Aztek. There's still time. There will always be time. Well, maybe not. It's possible a new-generation Dana Carvey and Mike Myers are being born right now and will do for the Aztek what they did for the Pacer in Wayne's World. Remember, ugly stuff always comes around again, while beauty seems impossible to recapture.

8. Datsun 210. These cars were pretty good in most of the country — simple, serviceable and reasonably lively. The California smogged version of 1980, however, was slow almost beyond belief. Barb and I unsuspectingly bought one as a new car when we moved to the Golden State. Pulling out onto the highway, you'd shift the Datsun up into 3rd gear and it would actually go slower. Depressing the throttle had exactly the same effect as dangling a donkey in front of a carrot. Anyway, the sleeper model of this car is the California version. Don't be fooled into buying the high-performance 49-state job, which makes literally dozens of horsepower and is way out of our price range here.

9. Fiat 850 Spider. I know a lot of people who liked these cars and claim that Fiat always gave you a lot of value for the money. Well, so do chorus girls, but they don't rust out. I worked on these cars as a mechanic and have not forgotten, even though I can't remember where I put my glasses or who directed La Strada. The basic driveline was pretty stout, but there were chronic problems with kingpins and axles. And rust. I can't help feeling they belong in any comprehensive list of sleepers a person such as myself should be able to afford, in a just world where no individual is discriminated against just because he has poor financial skills.

10. A Renault anything. Take your pick, from Dauphine to Alliance. "These cars seemed to work okay in France," Chris told me, "but something happened to the metallurgy when they crossed the Atlantic. Also the Great Lakes…and the Wisconsin River…God help you if you lived west of the Mississippi." Chris bought a new LeCar on a cold winter day and it wouldn't start the next morning. When he attempted to open the hood to spray some starter fluid into the air cleaner, the hood release, hood handle and wing nut for the air cleaner all broke off in his hand. Other Renaults? "The Dauphine had a plastic reverse gear that always failed," he said, "and you couldn't jack up the Caravelle without all the doors closed or you'd twist the chassis." Most of these cars have disappeared now, but the wise shopper might still be able to find an Alliance rotting behind an old building somewhere, just waiting to accrue unanticipated future collector value beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

There are many, many more I could mention, but I want to do some scouting and see if I can find cheap examples before I start a stampede of savvy collectors like myself. Good luck.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 02:05:38 PM »

Nice post, Wyldeman.
I'm sure every one noted the errors of the simple minded author who just happens to have gotten one thing right:  The Marina will be a collector car.  There were nearly 1.5 million built.  Now there are fewer than 2000 known cars (actually my guess is half that.)  His glaring errors concerned the supposed flaws:  He's probably a California fellow who only saw the Stromberg/California version (which was truly wimpy and gutless.)  The cars that had the HIF6 SU ran flawlessly, though the later cars had lower compression which took back a little oomph.  The only flaw in the gearbox was that some sleepy Limeys forgot to lube the shift lever in the socket and caused it to hang in the position that allowed you to catch reverse going for third.  We at the dealerships discovered that early on.  It's not a sophisticated box, but it was easy to work on and had good service life (as in the TR7, GT6, Spitfire, Midget, Herald, and all the 4-cylinder Triumph cars all the way back into the '60s.)  And, I know from personal experience that the rear wheel bearings last a very long time.  I'm pushing 600,000 miles driving Marinas, and I can tell you they last.
The Marina was a simple car with a simple goal:  Cheap transportation with low maintenance and initial cost.  It did that.  I'm still driving mine.
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